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		<title>By: Soterios</title>
		<link>http://www.pantokrator.org/2005/09/10/demon-possession-sickness/#comment-78163</link>
		<dc:creator>Soterios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evil spirits entice men into sin, so that they can enter the soul and darken (corrupt) it. When the soul undergoes progressive corruption it results in a deterioration of physical health, beginning in the mind, which is spiritual. This eventually alters chemistry in the physical brain. Many mental illness develop as the person ages and often begin in adolescence when young people experimenting with activities which society deems harmless, but which the bible warns us is sinful. Very often the illnesses run in families, as sin is generational and is passed down as an inheritance, operating like a curse in certain family members.
The wages of sin, are disease then death.

The degeneration of the soul is laced with suffering, but God offers us a path of spiritual healing via "the forgiveness of sins", which slowly regenerates and revives the soul. In order to walk this path, we have to abstain from sinful activities and live a clean life founded upon God's word. Many people fail to receive this healing because they go back into sin and so their actions counteract the work which God tries to bring about in them. 

I can tell you from personal experience that depression is most definitely a sin illness. A better name for it, would be spiritual oppression. Those especially at risk from depression are the spiritually sensitive people who are Satan's primary targets.

I always recommend that people read this book which is written by a psychiatrist who by the use of clinical hypnotherapy techniques, discovers demons afflicting her chronically ill patients: It is serious wake up call for mental health professionals and patients who are too afraid to confront the truth.

"Remarkable Healings" by Shakuntala Modi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evil spirits entice men into sin, so that they can enter the soul and darken (corrupt) it. When the soul undergoes progressive corruption it results in a deterioration of physical health, beginning in the mind, which is spiritual. This eventually alters chemistry in the physical brain. Many mental illness develop as the person ages and often begin in adolescence when young people experimenting with activities which society deems harmless, but which the bible warns us is sinful. Very often the illnesses run in families, as sin is generational and is passed down as an inheritance, operating like a curse in certain family members.<br />
The wages of sin, are disease then death.</p>
<p>The degeneration of the soul is laced with suffering, but God offers us a path of spiritual healing via &#8220;the forgiveness of sins&#8221;, which slowly regenerates and revives the soul. In order to walk this path, we have to abstain from sinful activities and live a clean life founded upon God&#8217;s word. Many people fail to receive this healing because they go back into sin and so their actions counteract the work which God tries to bring about in them. </p>
<p>I can tell you from personal experience that depression is most definitely a sin illness. A better name for it, would be spiritual oppression. Those especially at risk from depression are the spiritually sensitive people who are Satan&#8217;s primary targets.</p>
<p>I always recommend that people read this book which is written by a psychiatrist who by the use of clinical hypnotherapy techniques, discovers demons afflicting her chronically ill patients: It is serious wake up call for mental health professionals and patients who are too afraid to confront the truth.</p>
<p>&#8220;Remarkable Healings&#8221; by Shakuntala Modi</p>
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		<title>By: Christendom Blogosis &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Healing &#38; Faith - Demons &#38; Sickness (Demon Possession) - Intro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christendom Blogosis &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Healing &#38; Faith - Demons &#38; Sickness (Demon Possession) - Intro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I briefly touched on some of the subject matter in this post. I wanted to go over it in a bit more detail and also add &#8220;faith&#8221; into the equation. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
		<link>http://www.pantokrator.org/2005/09/10/demon-possession-sickness/#comment-161</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to hear you will be spared the brunt of the storm, but I'm sure your city will be involved in providing shelter and provisions for those less fortunate. I'll pray the churches in your area might use this as an opportunity to extend the loving hand of our Savior to those in need of both spiritual (gospel) and physical restoration.

It is good to be able to rest in the fact that God is completely in control of this situation, and that He is able to redemptively bring good out of death and destruction.

Bobby</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to hear you will be spared the brunt of the storm, but I&#8217;m sure your city will be involved in providing shelter and provisions for those less fortunate. I&#8217;ll pray the churches in your area might use this as an opportunity to extend the loving hand of our Savior to those in need of both spiritual (gospel) and physical restoration.</p>
<p>It is good to be able to rest in the fact that God is completely in control of this situation, and that He is able to redemptively bring good out of death and destruction.</p>
<p>Bobby</p>
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		<title>By: BA</title>
		<link>http://www.pantokrator.org/2005/09/10/demon-possession-sickness/#comment-160</link>
		<dc:creator>BA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>excellent comments, as usual

I definitely need to think about that approach.

I am in Corpus so we are out of the woods on this one for now.  I was prepared to leave though and the city had issued mandatory evac on Wed, but lifted it yesterday when Rita started to take a more NW path.

AMDG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excellent comments, as usual</p>
<p>I definitely need to think about that approach.</p>
<p>I am in Corpus so we are out of the woods on this one for now.  I was prepared to leave though and the city had issued mandatory evac on Wed, but lifted it yesterday when Rita started to take a more NW path.</p>
<p>AMDG</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
		<link>http://www.pantokrator.org/2005/09/10/demon-possession-sickness/#comment-159</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm just saying to follow the logic, a 5 point sovereigntist follows, relative to salvation--leads one to conclude that indeed God decreed the "Fall" thus He decreed evil (i.e. supralapsarianism). 

To say that evil and sin don't apply to God, of course, is the scriptural reality--but the logic provided by typical classical theists leads to the conclusion I speak of above.

I don't think God is "hands off" either. But there is no necessary relationship between God being "sovereign" and His "direct" causal control over every happen-stance that occurs in nature or "super-nature" for that matter. In other words, God can, in His sovereignty, create "space" for events to take place apart from His character (holiness) that He is "NOT" primarily "directing"; rather "free agents" are (i.e. people).(How else does one understand anything that is "anti-thetical" to God and His purposes?). This in no way under-cuts God's sovereignty nor does it imply that God is not in control or no longer sovereign. After all He uses, instrumentally, what would be meant for evil (anti-thetical to Him) and destruction to undermine that which would seek to oppose and thwart Him--that is an amazing display of sovereignty to me!

I agree with your idea of "judging God", I also like the terminology, "harnassing God" to express the concept you are getting at. But, given the fact that we are humans, means that we must speak and articulate with the aparatus of language and logic that we have been given. Even you are making judgements about God, when you are arguing against making judgments of God--it seems the issue really becomes, are we making "right" judgments or "wrong" judgments about God.

Off subject, Brian, where are you at in relationship to the oncoming Hurricane Rita? I know you're located in Texas somewhere, my "stat-counter" over at Mixed BAG shows your server hitting from Corpus Christi--are you located in one of these gulf cities in the Texas area? Be safe!

Bobby</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just saying to follow the logic, a 5 point sovereigntist follows, relative to salvation&#8211;leads one to conclude that indeed God decreed the &#8220;Fall&#8221; thus He decreed evil (i.e. supralapsarianism). </p>
<p>To say that evil and sin don&#8217;t apply to God, of course, is the scriptural reality&#8211;but the logic provided by typical classical theists leads to the conclusion I speak of above.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think God is &#8220;hands off&#8221; either. But there is no necessary relationship between God being &#8220;sovereign&#8221; and His &#8220;direct&#8221; causal control over every happen-stance that occurs in nature or &#8220;super-nature&#8221; for that matter. In other words, God can, in His sovereignty, create &#8220;space&#8221; for events to take place apart from His character (holiness) that He is &#8220;NOT&#8221; primarily &#8220;directing&#8221;; rather &#8220;free agents&#8221; are (i.e. people).(How else does one understand anything that is &#8220;anti-thetical&#8221; to God and His purposes?). This in no way under-cuts God&#8217;s sovereignty nor does it imply that God is not in control or no longer sovereign. After all He uses, instrumentally, what would be meant for evil (anti-thetical to Him) and destruction to undermine that which would seek to oppose and thwart Him&#8211;that is an amazing display of sovereignty to me!</p>
<p>I agree with your idea of &#8220;judging God&#8221;, I also like the terminology, &#8220;harnassing God&#8221; to express the concept you are getting at. But, given the fact that we are humans, means that we must speak and articulate with the aparatus of language and logic that we have been given. Even you are making judgements about God, when you are arguing against making judgments of God&#8211;it seems the issue really becomes, are we making &#8220;right&#8221; judgments or &#8220;wrong&#8221; judgments about God.</p>
<p>Off subject, Brian, where are you at in relationship to the oncoming Hurricane Rita? I know you&#8217;re located in Texas somewhere, my &#8220;stat-counter&#8221; over at Mixed BAG shows your server hitting from Corpus Christi&#8211;are you located in one of these gulf cities in the Texas area? Be safe!</p>
<p>Bobby</p>
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		<title>By: BA</title>
		<link>http://www.pantokrator.org/2005/09/10/demon-possession-sickness/#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>BA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bobby,

I believe God is 100% Sovereign over everything, including weather.

However, I don't have a problem with the "author of evil" thing as some do.  See my article on &lt;a href="http://www.pantokrator.org/2005/06/05/judging-god/" rel="nofollow"&gt;judging God&lt;/a&gt;.  Sin (and "evil" for that matter) are not applicable to God.

I don't think there is anything in the Scripture that teaches that God is "hands off" of anything.  In fact, I think we see quite the opposite.  Man has invented this "hands off" theology so that it agrees with their mind in their judgement of God.  The problem is they are missing the mark completely in doing so.

Lamentations 3:37-38
Amos 3:6

AMDG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobby,</p>
<p>I believe God is 100% Sovereign over everything, including weather.</p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t have a problem with the &#8220;author of evil&#8221; thing as some do.  See my article on <a href="http://www.pantokrator.org/2005/06/05/judging-god/" rel="nofollow">judging God</a>.  Sin (and &#8220;evil&#8221; for that matter) are not applicable to God.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there is anything in the Scripture that teaches that God is &#8220;hands off&#8221; of anything.  In fact, I think we see quite the opposite.  Man has invented this &#8220;hands off&#8221; theology so that it agrees with their mind in their judgement of God.  The problem is they are missing the mark completely in doing so.</p>
<p>Lamentations 3:37-38<br />
Amos 3:6</p>
<p>AMDG</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if your a "Sovereignist" in the camp represented by folks over at Challies.com or Pyromaniac, to be consistent, if one applies the same logic they use to get to their view on the ordo salutis (order of salvation)--then equally God is totally/causally in control of all weather and sickness (some call this "meticulous providence"). But most of them, I think, would'nt agree with my characterization--Another conclusion, of their kind of logic, makes God the "author of evil" (i.e. to display His redemptive character--so a 5 pt-Calvinist would say).

I believe God "USES" the consequences of a "Fallen" world to accomplish His purposes, i.e. destructive weather patterns, sicknesses, etc. In other words, I think God has given man and all of creation over to the "forces" and consequences of sin (i.e. disorder, chaos, destruction). To me this is what God's Wisdom is all about in I Corinthians 1:17-25, He is able to "break into" this fallen world, and "use" the destructive forces and consequences of sin (i.e. the death of the cross) to "birth" redemption (resurrection) for man and all of creation (Rom 8). 

Of course all of creation is sustained by God's word (Heb 1:3), but creation at this point is in futility and rebellion towards Him (Rom 8). Your question comes back to the age old debate of God's sovereignty and man's responsibility. Talk later!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if your a &#8220;Sovereignist&#8221; in the camp represented by folks over at Challies.com or Pyromaniac, to be consistent, if one applies the same logic they use to get to their view on the ordo salutis (order of salvation)&#8211;then equally God is totally/causally in control of all weather and sickness (some call this &#8220;meticulous providence&#8221;). But most of them, I think, would&#8217;nt agree with my characterization&#8211;Another conclusion, of their kind of logic, makes God the &#8220;author of evil&#8221; (i.e. to display His redemptive character&#8211;so a 5 pt-Calvinist would say).</p>
<p>I believe God &#8220;USES&#8221; the consequences of a &#8220;Fallen&#8221; world to accomplish His purposes, i.e. destructive weather patterns, sicknesses, etc. In other words, I think God has given man and all of creation over to the &#8220;forces&#8221; and consequences of sin (i.e. disorder, chaos, destruction). To me this is what God&#8217;s Wisdom is all about in I Corinthians 1:17-25, He is able to &#8220;break into&#8221; this fallen world, and &#8220;use&#8221; the destructive forces and consequences of sin (i.e. the death of the cross) to &#8220;birth&#8221; redemption (resurrection) for man and all of creation (Rom 8). </p>
<p>Of course all of creation is sustained by God&#8217;s word (Heb 1:3), but creation at this point is in futility and rebellion towards Him (Rom 8). Your question comes back to the age old debate of God&#8217;s sovereignty and man&#8217;s responsibility. Talk later!</p>
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