Comments on: Challies on “Rick Warren and the Purpose that Drives Him” http://www.pantokrator.org/2005/07/04/challies-on-rick-warren-and-the-purpose-that-drives-him/ Pantokrator.org ~ The Christianos.org Blog ~ 2 Timothy 4:2 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:49:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Eugene Levitzky http://www.pantokrator.org/2005/07/04/challies-on-rick-warren-and-the-purpose-that-drives-him/#comment-2371 Eugene Levitzky Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:48:35 +0000 http://www.pantokrator.org/?p=38#comment-2371 It is impossible to remain a baby Christian and be a Christian. Accepting Jesus as Savior only is nothing but carnality and the reduction of Jesus to a mechanism of imputed righteousness, hiding behind Jesus so that the Father won't see your sins. Who the heck WANTS to be a baby Christian all their lives? Does a person want to wear diapers and suck a binky all his earthly life? That is a form of psychosis, I think everyone would agree. Buckle up, be a man, be a woman, read the Bible, BE THE BIBLE, don't just be a baby Christian -- which is a life of "believing in God" only and not "believing God." In order to be fully in Christ one has to BELIEVE GOD, not just believe in God. A baby Christian sucks on emotion and feeling all his life, never working out his salvation, preferring spirit-rotting milk to the water of life. Hell's bells, why bother following Christ if one is not going to follow? Why not just admit that one prefers to "follow one's own way" and thereby live the neo-satanic existence of "do what thou wilt shall be all of the law" rather than "Father, thy will be done, not mine, in Jesus' name." It is impossible to remain a baby Christian and be a Christian. Accepting Jesus as Savior only is nothing but carnality and the reduction of Jesus to a mechanism of imputed righteousness, hiding behind Jesus so that the Father won’t see your sins. Who the heck WANTS to be a baby Christian all their lives? Does a person want to wear diapers and suck a binky all his earthly life? That is a form of psychosis, I think everyone would agree. Buckle up, be a man, be a woman, read the Bible, BE THE BIBLE, don’t just be a baby Christian — which is a life of “believing in God” only and not “believing God.” In order to be fully in Christ one has to BELIEVE GOD, not just believe in God. A baby Christian sucks on emotion and feeling all his life, never working out his salvation, preferring spirit-rotting milk to the water of life. Hell’s bells, why bother following Christ if one is not going to follow? Why not just admit that one prefers to “follow one’s own way” and thereby live the neo-satanic existence of “do what thou wilt shall be all of the law” rather than “Father, thy will be done, not mine, in Jesus’ name.”

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]]> By: BA http://www.pantokrator.org/2005/07/04/challies-on-rick-warren-and-the-purpose-that-drives-him/#comment-64 BA Tue, 05 Jul 2005 15:26:11 +0000 http://www.pantokrator.org/?p=38#comment-64 Jason, I didn't mean to sound like I was throwing the baby out with the bath water as I don't agree with that. However, I think it is dangerous to allow someone to believe they are a Christian and feel comfortable just because the Word isn't being preached and taught enough. AMDG Jason,

I didn’t mean to sound like I was throwing the baby out with the bath water as I don’t agree with that. However, I think it is dangerous to allow someone to believe they are a Christian and feel comfortable just because the Word isn’t being preached and taught enough.

AMDG

]]> By: jason dollar http://www.pantokrator.org/2005/07/04/challies-on-rick-warren-and-the-purpose-that-drives-him/#comment-62 jason dollar Tue, 05 Jul 2005 12:42:53 +0000 http://www.pantokrator.org/?p=38#comment-62 You make a good point overall I believe, that is, Scripture is of much greater value than all other books combined. But I sense a throwing out the baby with the bathwater mentality here. God has called preachers and teachers whose purpose is to point others to the Bible and equip them for ministry. As to Warren, he does this to a large degree. However, this is precisely why he should not use so many weird translations. You make a good point overall I believe, that is, Scripture is of much greater value than all other books combined. But I sense a throwing out the baby with the bathwater mentality here. God has called preachers and teachers whose purpose is to point others to the Bible and equip them for ministry.

As to Warren, he does this to a large degree. However, this is precisely why he should not use so many weird translations.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.pantokrator.org/2005/07/04/challies-on-rick-warren-and-the-purpose-that-drives-him/#comment-61 Andrew Tue, 05 Jul 2005 11:23:56 +0000 http://www.pantokrator.org/?p=38#comment-61 The past master, our foe, satan is particularly good at distraction when he cannot perfect distruction in our lives. Considering that we have a lot of resourses in our generation to support and coach our walk on earth, we should also beware that there is also a lot of space for this support, combined with our pride, for the enemy to turn our focus away from the centrality of Christ in our daily walk and the importance of His living word in our lives......The signiifcance of the 4th is something to remember....today more than ever before....Blessings from England The past master, our foe, satan is particularly good at distraction when he cannot perfect distruction in our lives. Considering that we have a lot of resourses in our generation to support and coach our walk on earth, we should also beware that there is also a lot of space for this support, combined with our pride, for the enemy to turn our focus away from the centrality of Christ in our daily walk and the importance of His living word in our lives……The signiifcance of the 4th is something to remember….today more than ever before….Blessings from England

]]> By: BA http://www.pantokrator.org/2005/07/04/challies-on-rick-warren-and-the-purpose-that-drives-him/#comment-59 BA Mon, 04 Jul 2005 18:57:21 +0000 http://www.pantokrator.org/?p=38#comment-59 Affective, Not so much a weeding out process. More preaching the scripture and thus not allowing people to feel mistakenly comfortable or mistakenly believe they are Christians. I believe we have a definition problem in this country. Many people believe that going to church, believing in God (any type of God), and being a good person means you are a Christian. I heard a stat recently that like 90% of Americans claimed to be Christians, yet, only 3% of those believed the Bible was the Word of God (inerrant). I think the churches need to get back to teaching the scripture. Yes, I believe once saved, always saved. I don't believe in criteria or thresholds. However, I do not profess to be able to judge the hearts of men. Only God knows His elect. I <a href="#" onclick="ESVPopup.onclick(event, 'Philippians 2:12-13');return false;">work out my salvation in fear and trembling</a> and I think all Christians should do the same. I also believe it is possible to never mature as a Christian and in effect stay a baby Christian. Again, my only recourse here is to use the scripture to <a href="#" onclick="ESVPopup.onclick(event, '2 Timothy 4:2');return false;">reprove, rebuke, and exhort with complete patience and teaching</a>. Heading out for some barbeque and fireworks in just a bit...God bless bro! AMDG Affective,

Not so much a weeding out process. More preaching the scripture and thus not allowing people to feel mistakenly comfortable or mistakenly believe they are Christians. I believe we have a definition problem in this country. Many people believe that going to church, believing in God (any type of God), and being a good person means you are a Christian. I heard a stat recently that like 90% of Americans claimed to be Christians, yet, only 3% of those believed the Bible was the Word of God (inerrant). I think the churches need to get back to teaching the scripture.

Yes, I believe once saved, always saved. I don’t believe in criteria or thresholds. However, I do not profess to be able to judge the hearts of men. Only God knows His elect. I work out my salvation in fear and trembling and I think all Christians should do the same.

I also believe it is possible to never mature as a Christian and in effect stay a baby Christian. Again, my only recourse here is to use the scripture to reprove, rebuke, and exhort with complete patience and teaching.

Heading out for some barbeque and fireworks in just a bit…God bless bro!

AMDG

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