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		<title>By: Christendom Blogosis  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Open Theism</title>
		<link>http://www.pantokrator.org/2005/06/05/judging-god/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Christendom Blogosis  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Open Theism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 07:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] t it was worthy of a trackback as some of the discussion is related to a post I made about judging God. 	Essentially what we have here is man trying to humanize God and it is a very dan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: BA</title>
		<link>http://www.pantokrator.org/2005/06/05/judging-god/#comment-20</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.  If I get some time I will try to compile a list of verses where God reveals some of His Sovereign nature to us. (i.e. Numbers 23:19)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.  If I get some time I will try to compile a list of verses where God reveals some of His Sovereign nature to us. (i.e. Numbers 23:19)</p>
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		<title>By: BA</title>
		<link>http://www.pantokrator.org/2005/06/05/judging-god/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>BA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Meg.

My blockquotes were actually from the blog author responding to you.

As you can see most of my entries are "thinkers", for lack of a better term.  They are not always black and white and hopefully require people to check the Word of God.

At any rate, I don't mind expounding on my posts at all if people comment.  I love any sort of discussion about our Lord and Savior.

I am saying God is utterly and 100% Soveriegn over everything at all times.  This is also implied, as God holds every molecule of the universe together at all times.  You may want to see my &lt;a href="http://www.pantokrator.org/2005/06/03/the-sovereignty-of-god/" rel="nofollow"&gt;other post&lt;/a&gt; with a bit more discussion on the subject.

The Bible talks about choice because in our view, we have choices.  We do not have the liberty to see things outside of space and time as God does.  Decisions that I face are genuine and I am making those decisions.  However, I also know that my will never thwarts God's will.  His will is always done and everything I do is inside of His will even though I am 100% accountable for it and I am making the decisions myself.  This can be hard for many people to comprehend.  However, our best answer is from the Word of God in Romans 9 (Specifically, Romans 9:19-20).  The "logical" conclusion of every human is to say, "How can God still find fault with me when I am always doing His will and there is nothing I can do to go against His will?".  The answer is basically that as God's creation, we have no right to even question God.

Your next question brings me to why I made the post in the first place.  I think that it is incorrect thinking to say God constrains himself from evil.  That is a judgement on God.  Evil is a human trait, not applicable to God.  I will ask a question that follows the logic to my point.  Is it "wrong" or "evil" to kill someone?  If so, how can God order killing as He did throughout the Scripture?  Does that not make God evil or wrong? ...or let us approach it from more of a "hands off" approach.  It is "evil" and "wrong" to let children die if we have the power to stop it.  Is not God evil for letting the death of children happen every day since He has the power to stop it?

What happens here is that I am judging God with that line of reasoning, to top it off, I am even using Scripture to define "right" and "wrong", and yet it is still incorrect.  The flaw in the above reasoning is thinking we are somehow capable of judging God (by standards he set out for us no less).

You have to ask yourself, where does Scripture teach that there is a measuring stick to which I can apply to God?  Where does Scripture teach that God is accountable to me and my judgement for His actions?  On the other hand, His Sovereignty is clearly taught throughout.

The point of my original post was to get people to start thinking differently.  Stop judging God with a measuring stick that was created for us.  Sometime we pass judgement even without really thinking about it (how many times have you heard someone say, how could God let this happen, or how could God do that).

Hopefully, I made my point a bit more clear.  Please feel free to comment and let me know what you think.

AMDG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Meg.</p>
<p>My blockquotes were actually from the blog author responding to you.</p>
<p>As you can see most of my entries are &#8220;thinkers&#8221;, for lack of a better term.  They are not always black and white and hopefully require people to check the Word of God.</p>
<p>At any rate, I don&#8217;t mind expounding on my posts at all if people comment.  I love any sort of discussion about our Lord and Savior.</p>
<p>I am saying God is utterly and 100% Soveriegn over everything at all times.  This is also implied, as God holds every molecule of the universe together at all times.  You may want to see my <a href="http://www.pantokrator.org/2005/06/03/the-sovereignty-of-god/" rel="nofollow">other post</a> with a bit more discussion on the subject.</p>
<p>The Bible talks about choice because in our view, we have choices.  We do not have the liberty to see things outside of space and time as God does.  Decisions that I face are genuine and I am making those decisions.  However, I also know that my will never thwarts God&#8217;s will.  His will is always done and everything I do is inside of His will even though I am 100% accountable for it and I am making the decisions myself.  This can be hard for many people to comprehend.  However, our best answer is from the Word of God in Romans 9 (Specifically, Romans 9:19-20).  The &#8220;logical&#8221; conclusion of every human is to say, &#8220;How can God still find fault with me when I am always doing His will and there is nothing I can do to go against His will?&#8221;.  The answer is basically that as God&#8217;s creation, we have no right to even question God.</p>
<p>Your next question brings me to why I made the post in the first place.  I think that it is incorrect thinking to say God constrains himself from evil.  That is a judgement on God.  Evil is a human trait, not applicable to God.  I will ask a question that follows the logic to my point.  Is it &#8220;wrong&#8221; or &#8220;evil&#8221; to kill someone?  If so, how can God order killing as He did throughout the Scripture?  Does that not make God evil or wrong? &#8230;or let us approach it from more of a &#8220;hands off&#8221; approach.  It is &#8220;evil&#8221; and &#8220;wrong&#8221; to let children die if we have the power to stop it.  Is not God evil for letting the death of children happen every day since He has the power to stop it?</p>
<p>What happens here is that I am judging God with that line of reasoning, to top it off, I am even using Scripture to define &#8220;right&#8221; and &#8220;wrong&#8221;, and yet it is still incorrect.  The flaw in the above reasoning is thinking we are somehow capable of judging God (by standards he set out for us no less).</p>
<p>You have to ask yourself, where does Scripture teach that there is a measuring stick to which I can apply to God?  Where does Scripture teach that God is accountable to me and my judgement for His actions?  On the other hand, His Sovereignty is clearly taught throughout.</p>
<p>The point of my original post was to get people to start thinking differently.  Stop judging God with a measuring stick that was created for us.  Sometime we pass judgement even without really thinking about it (how many times have you heard someone say, how could God let this happen, or how could God do that).</p>
<p>Hopefully, I made my point a bit more clear.  Please feel free to comment and let me know what you think.</p>
<p>AMDG</p>
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		<title>By: MegLogan</title>
		<link>http://www.pantokrator.org/2005/06/05/judging-god/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>MegLogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 19:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, It's me, Meg. The person you mention in this post. I think you need to explain your position better. I agree that we cannot judge what God does as right or wrong, nor can we judge Him as right or wrong. But I don't understand how this applies to the original post regarding soverignty. Are you saying God it utterly soverign? Perpetually and Continually exercising His sovereignty? Why does the Bible talk about a choice if there is none? 

I am all into having fear of the Lord, and knowing Him as best we can from how He reveals Himself in His word. Everyday I am amazed by His hugeness, and His immutability. By His power, and might, and Absoluteness. The beginning and the end, and everything in between. 
But I was always taught that God, constrains Himself from evil, because He is holy. Are you saying that we have no right to discern good from evil? Or only when God does it? What does it mean that sin does not apply to God? How is that different from God never sins?

Like I said, I think you need to explain yourself better, this post is too short for such a profound topic. I need more info...

Waiting on Him, 

Meg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, It&#8217;s me, Meg. The person you mention in this post. I think you need to explain your position better. I agree that we cannot judge what God does as right or wrong, nor can we judge Him as right or wrong. But I don&#8217;t understand how this applies to the original post regarding soverignty. Are you saying God it utterly soverign? Perpetually and Continually exercising His sovereignty? Why does the Bible talk about a choice if there is none? </p>
<p>I am all into having fear of the Lord, and knowing Him as best we can from how He reveals Himself in His word. Everyday I am amazed by His hugeness, and His immutability. By His power, and might, and Absoluteness. The beginning and the end, and everything in between.<br />
But I was always taught that God, constrains Himself from evil, because He is holy. Are you saying that we have no right to discern good from evil? Or only when God does it? What does it mean that sin does not apply to God? How is that different from God never sins?</p>
<p>Like I said, I think you need to explain yourself better, this post is too short for such a profound topic. I need more info&#8230;</p>
<p>Waiting on Him, </p>
<p>Meg</p>
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